Galaxy Melaka no transmitt

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Saturday 8th Dec 2007, 11:11

Anyone know where I can get a schematic for the Melaka. The radio receives fine but no transmitt I replaced the final and the driver but it's still the same.

ramblingman · Post by **ramblingman** » Saturday 8th Dec 2007, 11:35

hi there,,the pc board used in the melanka is the same pc board used in the galaxy 33 hml mobile unit...ept-360014b,,so go to cb tricks,then go to galaxy,,then to 33 hml...it will be the same radio,just in a base radio case.i would be looking in the area of the regulator..2sb754,,or in some cases they use a 2sa1012..good luck with your radio,,if you need any futher help.check with rick,he is the best troubleshooter on cbs i know....take care..........................ramblingman

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Saturday 8th Dec 2007, 12:30

thanks ramblingman and I agree Rick is a good guy and all kinds of help

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Sunday 9th Dec 2007, 1:10

ramblingman you were right on the 2sa1012 is bad Ill get a replacement monday Thanks again for the help.

ramblingman · Post by **ramblingman** » Sunday 9th Dec 2007, 9:34

hey there,,,if i were you if i could get one..id replace the 2sa1012 with a 2sb754 which is a 60 watt or a 2sb817 which is a 100 watt device..it will be more stable and run cooler too............................ramblingman

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Monday 10th Dec 2007, 0:25

good idea ramblingman Thanks I think Ill do that

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Friday 14th Dec 2007, 11:53

Well I replaced TR-51 and the Final and the Driver but still no transmitt. Is there something that could have gone short when TR-51 went out.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Sunday 16th Dec 2007, 9:16

I can take a short pice of wire and touch the base and collector of each the driver and then the final. Doing this with another radio tuned to the same channel and close by.Watching the receive meter.The driver acts as it should the base seems to emmit a little less RF than the collector which I belive is correct. The final on the other hand emmits less RF at the collector and more RF at the base.Can someone please tell me if this is correct. I have little in test equipment so ill do this like a cave man.Anyone ?

ramblingman · Post by **ramblingman** » Sunday 16th Dec 2007, 13:59

when you key the radio does the on the air light up,and do you hear the light pop of the key or not..

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Sunday 16th Dec 2007, 22:19

I do not like to but in on other posts. However, this may help.

If original TR51 had gone short circuit, in some cases it also takes out TR50 as will.

What is the voltage at the collector TR51 in TX on AM and FM, and what is the Base and Collector voltage of TR45, TR44 and TR45. Let us know how you get on.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Monday 17th Dec 2007, 2:20

Yes ramblingman the ON THE AIR lights up and you can hear the switch from RX to TX.
And Rick I don't think anyone thinks your butting in.I think everyone here should apericate the help you give. I know I do.
Anyhow the Voltages are like so.
TR-51 Collector at transmitt AM= 3.51, FM=3.50
TR-45 Base at TX=1.35 Collector at TX=5.77
TR-45 Base at RX=minus 0.00 Cololector at RX= minus 0.00
TR-44 Base at TX=.54 Collector at TX=3.22
TR-44 Base at RX=0.00 Collector at RX=3.60
TR-43 Base at TX=.48 Collector at TX=3.50
TR-43 Base at RX=0.00 Collector at RX=3.60

Thanks Guys !

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Monday 17th Dec 2007, 3:56

You appear to not have the volts to turn on TR44 and TR43. Can you adjust VR13 for 5.6 volts at the collector of TR51 after doing so recheck the voltages in my first post. Let us know how you get on.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Monday 17th Dec 2007, 10:38

Rick

I work out of town but when I get back at the end of the week Ill be sure to follow up.

Thanks Rick

ramblingman · Post by **ramblingman** » Thursday 20th Dec 2007, 5:09

sounds like it is probably tr-45 o/c,,from the voltage readings.tr-45 is the pre-driver.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Saturday 22nd Dec 2007, 9:11

ramblingman I replaced TR-45 earlier

Rick
I turned up 13 and now have 5.60 volts at TR-51 under TX AM and FM
TR- 45 TX is C=5.59V and B=1.14V
TR-44 TX is C=5.30V and B=.59V
TR-43 TX is C=5.60V and B=.52V

no transmitt

looking to hear back and Thanks!

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Saturday 22nd Dec 2007, 11:16

Can you check the voltage on Pin 5 of IC9 and the voltage at each side of R233 and TR46 base, collector, and emitter in TX mode.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Saturday 22nd Dec 2007, 12:14

Rick

Pin 5 of IC-9 8.21Volts
Each side of R233 .01Volts
TR-46 at TX B=1.49 C6.05 E.75

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Saturday 22nd Dec 2007, 12:52

When you replaced TR45 did you get the same transistor (2SC2538)?
It sound like you have TR45 in the wrong way round. If you have replaced it with a 2SC1973 or 2SC2076, look at them from the front they are E, C, B and 2SC2538 is B, C, E.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Saturday 22nd Dec 2007, 13:17

I replaced TR-45 with a NTE293 didn't have a replacement. TR-45 was a 2sc1973 I now have a new 2sc1973 I can install.
Also R223 has 0.00volts each side.

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Saturday 22nd Dec 2007, 13:29

Are you sure that R223 has 0.0 vdc in TX? check R226 and R221 each side in TX mode. If you do not have any volts at the resistors then that the fault, check for broken track and cold solder joints.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Saturday 22nd Dec 2007, 13:39

Sorry Rick R223 has 8.92 and 6.38 volts I miss understood. Tr45 should be correct emitter is connected to R220

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 6:38

I touched up a few solder joints around the driver and final I now have about .5 watts on my RF meter.
TR44 RX B=0.00 C=5.97
TR44 TX B =.66 C =3.77

TR43 RX B=0.00 C=6.00
TR43 TX B=.45 C=1.38

Rick I realy appericate your help with this

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 6:48

Try adjusting VR13 for 5.6 at the collector of TR51, I know you have reset VR13 once but if you only have low voltage at collector TR44 and 43 and have 5.6 at TR51 you must have a bad track or bad solder joint from TR51 to the driver and final, or do you have a bad power supply.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 7:00

Rick I did reset the collector v at TR 51 I dont think the power is bad. I will look close at other joints and the pc board.
Thanks again Rick

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 8:20

You should have the same voltage at the collector for TR44 and TR43 as you have at the collector TR51, as the collector is connected to TR43 var L34 and TR44 var L37.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 8:55

I found out my V meter battery was weak. my V is the same now.i just dont have but .5 watts? you were right on about the power its running up to 16 volts at TR-51

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 9:18

You have lost me, what is at 16 volts?
Now you have a new batter in voltmeter, what is the voltage at TR43, TR44, TR45 and TR46.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 10:07

Rick
I was speeking of TR-51 the power seems high to me but I dont know.
TR-51 at TX E=15.85 C=8.68 B=15.12
TR-46 at TX E=.85 C=5.90 B= 1.48
TR-45 at TX E.84 C=8.48 B=1.43
TR-44 at TX C=5.59 B=.63
TR-43 at TX C=5.52 B.55

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 10:24

So what is you power supply voltage?

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 10:48

power supply 16.12 volts

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 10:55

Rick I made a mistake the Volts I gave you for TR-51 were reading I wrote down and were taken from TR-41
TR-51 E=16.03 C=5.60 B=15.42

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 10:55

You power supply should be a max of 13.8 VDC. I think you need try a different power supply which is known to be OK or car battery.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 11:27

I found a pot for the supply and set it to 13.87 volts. Close enough ?

nomadradio · Post by **nomadradio** » Sunday 23rd Dec 2007, 21:00

Half a Watt?

Time to take loose the base and emitter legs of the final transistor and see if it passes a diode test across those two.

You can leave the emitter soldered to ground and do this with only the base leg unsoldered from the pc board.

Sounds kinda like an open base to emitter junction.

Or numerous adjustments out of whack?

Do you know any history with this radio?

Has it been like this since you first saw it? Or was it running okay and then just quit?

Gotta find that link to 'testing transistors with a meter'.

73

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Monday 24th Dec 2007, 1:14

I have a Transistor Checker and the Driver and Final Check OK. I dont know anything about the Radio. The guy I bought it from said the Final went out. As it turned out it was TR-51 that was bad. Seems someone had the Power supply turned up.Everything Iv'e went through is in my post.Im not much of a teck as you can tell. Rick has been a great help and continues to do so. THANKS for RICK.
And thanks for your input. nomadradio

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Monday 24th Dec 2007, 2:15

You may have a current problem with the power supply, can try a different supply just to verifier this is not the problem?

One think, which is not making much sense, is the collector of TR51 (5.60vdc) should be the same voltage as the Collector of TR44 and TR43 in TX. Do a visual for the collector of TR51 to the collectors TR43 and TR44 looking for a bad track or bed solder joint.

For you PM it looks like you have a bad final TR43, I think it would be best to change to see what the out come is.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Monday 24th Dec 2007, 4:27

Thanks Rick
Ill see if I can locate a new final tomorrow and Ill be sure to check the board.

Thanks again.

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Monday 24th Dec 2007, 4:34

I think you try a different supply just to verifier this is not the problem?

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Monday 24th Dec 2007, 7:16

Im not realy sure just how to do that.The radio doesnt have a plug to the rear for mobile use.I have a hot and ground on the board I can tap into but there are other wires coming off the supply that go to the front of the radio .Not sure what these are.

I dont understand I have traced the power up to L-34. On the power side of L-34 Volts stay the same at TX. On the side of L-34 close to TR-43 it drops.

Thanks again Rick.

I know you must have better things to do than fool with this.

James Unit 198 · Post by **James Unit 198** » Wednesday 26th Dec 2007, 1:30

Sounds like a nightmare but it look like you have the right guy helping you.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Wednesday 26th Dec 2007, 6:18

No doubt about it.

StrightClaw · Post by **StrightClaw** » Saturday 5th Jan 2008, 13:00

So everyone will know. The problem with the Melaka turned out to be a bad Driver. This was a new Driver and checks OK on ny transistor checker??? Oh well live and learn. I just wanted to thank everyone for there help. And Rick for hanging in there.You don't give up your the best How lucky we are to have you here. THANKS!

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Sunday 6th Jan 2008, 22:20

That good to hear you have it up and running again. This is not uncommon as most of the 2SC2166, 2SC1969 and 2SC2312 are fakes and made in China.

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